Thoughts & Brain Leaks about Doktor Sleepless

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Thoughts & Brain Leaks about Doktor Sleepless #3

Posted by Spiraltwist on October 31, 2007 at 3:03am

Tools should be used. Yes, there is a talk thingie availible on the wiki, but this is so much more familiar. Which might lend it to more or less responses. Maybe. Doktor Sleepless #3 was a great issue.

More background on the Doktor. Who may or may not be real. My latest idea is that they are both tulpas (John the Doktor and John the prisoner), and the real John died years ago. Can a tupla create another tulpa?

Ah, the Nurse. I knew her history had to suck hard, but her past blows. I don't remember her mother's last name being mentioned in the book. Makes me wonder what sort of position her mother holds now, where she is and if that's even important. Does she have a RFID chip?

The former guardian. There's an intersting twist. The mess he's going to clean up could be the Doktor himself, as suggested by M1k3y on the wiki. He was supposed to guide and mold the young man. It makes me think the Doktor may have survived the deaths of his parents because of this. Why spare the child and leave a witness?

Anyone else?

Reply by Josh Brennan on December 12, 2007 at 5:07pm

Ok, so really late, but:

Could be the Doktor, also occurred to me that the "mess" might be the grinder subculture that Reinhardt created (interestingly, something of a thought-form itself). Also, maybe it was just me, but the grinder kid's entrails looked extremely reminiscent of tentacles. I wonder if all the Lovecraftian imagery is a red herring (like communism) or is just something young Reinhardt conjured as his way of coping with his parents' deaths.

The nurses history makes me wonder why she's working For anybody. Her tragically coercive history lends me to believe that she'd want to be in control of a situation, that or what she's getting out of the deal must be really worth it.

Reply by Spiraltwist on December 12, 2007 at 6:15pm

the grinder kid's entrails looked extremely reminiscent of tentacles

I think that was talked about the wiki, under . Dr. Albert Cannon

That would be a good twist, if the Loveraftian stuff was not real at all. The next logical question would be then, who really killed his parents? I think something is stinky in heavenside, and it's not all it appears to be. Cliqued, I know.

The nurse, she wants revenge. She doesn't seem to care about the money she's being paid. I think she is content to led Dr. Sleepless lead, as long as he is going in the direction she wants.

Reply by William Howard on December 18, 2007 at 3:44am

You know, I just realised.

While compiling a list of sightings of the Grinder symbol, it is ALWAYS green (please, contradict me if you can) except on the Tshirt of the Mind Reader, where its red.

I'm wondering if theres significance to this, it seems packed full of significance right now, but that could just be that I just read my way through the 3 issues back to back about 3 times in the last hour.

Reply by Spiraltwist on December 19, 2007 at 4:16am

I just read my way through the 3 issues back to back about 3 times in the last hour.

My husband teases me about carrying them everywhere. I re-read them at least once a day. Yeah, I'm a dork.

And about the red grinders, as far as I've found too, the symbols have always been green. But it's interesting to note that the symbol itself isn't red, but the BACKGROUND is red. The grinders are BLACK, like an outline.

Reply by 444 on April 1, 2008 at 9:55am

My latest idea is that they are both tulpas (John the Doktor and John the prisoner), and the real John died years ago. Can a tupla create another tulpa?

Say, that's really interesting, that the real John is the dead one.

Perhaps the 'real' (or better, maybe (?), 'original') John created more than one copy of himself--call it a "tulpa," sure--all at the same time, and had to die as part of the process of creating these new selves?

Reading your words on the guardian got me thinking some thoughts: maybe John is an 'experiment' of the guardian's, and he--John--has not turned out the way the guardian had desired? If there was some kind of occult event which killed John's parents, maybe the guardian was somehow involved--like a group of magicians or what have-ya'?

Reply by Spiraltwist on April 3, 2008 at 12:19am

I think he is dead. That's ok though, he doesn't have to be alive to put his plans in motion, thanks to the tuplas. How true they stay to the path remains to be seen.

As for the guardian, I don't think it's even human. Wearing a human skin, maybe. The occult angle is a good one.

444 Permalink Reply by 444 on April 3, 2008 at 8:33am

I'm certainly willing to entertain the possibility that the original John is dead. Like I mentioned over at the wiki (although not quite like the following), I think there is some significance to the city being called "Heavenside," and some other place (that no longer exists, maybe) called "Hellside," and that Scartop manor seems like it might be positioned in between these two places.

As far as the tulpa thing goes, I tend to feel the John in the cell might be using it more metaphorically than literally: as a way to explain what he's done, but still keep it shrouded, so to speak.

Guardian not even human, eh? Hmm...

Reply by Spiraltwist on April 6, 2008 at 2:38am

Guardian not even human, eh? Hmm..

Human mannerism seem off. Unless it's so much of a human monster that's why it's not clicking with me.

And who put the Mind Reader in the dumpster?

Reply by 444 on April 6, 2008 at 8:48am

Human mannerism seem off.

Lol, that's one way of putting it!

He seems pretty 'out there,' don't he? That Rain story over his introductory panels really gives him a 'tweaked-out' feel. And that panel where he says to the mind reader, "You don't want to do that," heh, there's some darkness there fer sure (the teeth are especially sweet and remind me of David Lynch)!

By what I reckon you're saying, I'd agree--he's a husk of a human being. And maybe he is a monster, or perhaps harbouring one? The panel where there are the tentacles overtaking a shadowy figure (pg. 20, lower right)--is that a 'psychic' or 'astral' (so to speak) representation of the current encounter between the guardian and the mind reader? Even if it isn't, it certainly seems odd that this image occurs in this series of events...

And is this panel and the one from the first issue the only two panels in the series thus far to show these tentacles?

And who put the Mind Reader in the dumpster?

That's a good question--I had to track down what you were referring too!

I also find myself wondering: at some point in the story, will Nurse and the guardian get in a knife fight?

 :D

Reply by Spiraltwist on April 8, 2008 at 12:49pm

I also find myself wondering: at some point in the story, will Nurse and the guardian get in a :::knife fight?

Two unmovable objects?

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